Pongify

Tibalt's Trickery Context

New 04 Jun 2024 Asked by aaaaaa123456789 25 Comments

Is Tibalt's Trickery considered in pie, a bend or a break? (Red doesn't normally get counterspells, does it?) What about a version of it that couldn't target your own spells?


Tibalt’s Trickery isn’t really meant to be a counterspell, but a spell transformation spell. As with Pongify, it’s hard when you use words with other context to simulate transformation.

Volatile Stormdrake's Color Pie Classification

New 04 Jun 2024 Asked by zorroaburrito 42 Comments

Is Volatile Stormdrake a break/bend?


No. Let me explain. There are two different types of color pie restrictions. The first is mechanical. Printing the card with the ability is a bend or a break. The second is aesthetic. We like to make colors feel different, so there are some things we don’t do in a color to keep it from stepping on another color.We stopped doing Pongify in blue, not because it was a mechanical issue, but an aesthetic one. We want white removal with a consolation to feel different than blue transformation. Also, we didn’t like the word “destroy” in a blue text box as it confused people (as blue doesn’t destroy permanents). Bleeding into aesthetic territory isn’t a bend or break, so no Volatile Stormdrake isn’t a bend/break.

Reprinting Certain Cards

New 25 Apr 2024 Asked by jjustin1379 37 Comments

Do you think cards like beast within, pongify, rapid hybridization and harmonize should get reprinted in commander precons? Beast within is a staple and the blue removal spells are very strong and actually are not that cheap for nonrares. Should they continue to appear in commander decks since they are already in the format or would you prefer other cards?


If a card is already in the format and there is demand for it, we’ll include it in Commander decks. I personally don’t enjoy color pie breaks being major players, but that ship has long since sailed.

Cyber Conversion Logic

New 14 Oct 2023 Asked by skagerrakgodofdarkness 36 Comments

My understanding was that blue could get “pongify” effects as long as they’re temporary or reversible. Is cyber conversion considered an exception to this?


There are effects, such as flicker, that can reverse Cyber Conversion.

Cyber Conversion Break?

New 13 Oct 2023 Asked by apo08 55 Comments

Hi Mark,I happened to read Cyber Conversion, from the doctor who commander decks.Isn't that a break in blue? I thought pongify and similar were considered breaks, and that blue shouldn't have new ways to directly remove creatures (except through auras).Also, doesn't this mean that the stronger conmander removal is in blue now? You can get the creature back only by blinking or bouncing it, arguably much more difficult than just recasting it with tax.


The thing we removed from blue was it destroying/exiling a card and then giving the controller of the card a token as replacement. While Cyber Conversion might feel similar, it’s not exactly what it does. The card is changed into something else. Blue can do that. Also, blue is primary in turning cards face down.

Ravenform Design Impact

New 08 Oct 2023 Asked by andalon-historian 46 Comments

Was Ravenform a break? Was the decision to stop making Pongify effects made after Kaldheim was released?


The existence of Ravenform led directly to the change.

Cyber Conversion Nature

New 08 Oct 2023 Asked by sobek16 67 Comments

Is cyber conversion a bend or a break? I though blue didn’t do cards like pongify any more?


It’s in weird space. It’s not technically destroy and replace with a token which is what we stopped doing in blue. Blue is the color with the history of turning cards face down. And Cybermen were flavored as face down cards, making turning things into a Cyberman pretty blue.If this was space we were doing much design in, maybe we’d have a larger discussion, but it wasn’t, so we let the one card be.

Blue Creature Removal

New 10 Mar 2023 Asked by j-waffles 54 Comments

You’ve said that blue isn’t supposed to get creature removal like Pongify anymore, the transformations should either be temporary or on auras. That being said, is phasing of zhalfir a bend or break? It’s basically just a mass Pongify, and since it’s it’s from DMR, half the time it’s just a sorcery that only says the third chapter


It’s a major bend on the third chapter of a Saga. Things can slip through as we’re phasing things out of colors (pun intended, of course).

Blue's Future Pongify

New 18 Aug 2022 Asked by zackdes44 49 Comments

I thought blue no longer had access to pongify effects?


We cut blue off, but we haven’t gotten to the future yet where that happens.

Evolving Color Pie View

New 11 Jul 2022 Asked by junts26 41 Comments

I understand why you have some regrets for Planar Chaos, but it seems to me that sometimes you judge color pie breaks (PC and elsewhere) with a contemporary perspective. You're very regretful of Planar Chaos cards that are now color pie breaks, but they weren't always breaks then. The color pie has been an evolving thing for a long time. I think you should give more slack to old cards made with old definitions. Eg dark ritual is not a break, fast mana was black for years. Ditto pongify, etc


I’m way less harsh about cards that weren’t breaks when they were made, but have since become breaks. That’s not what happened with Planar Chaos though. We pushed things we shouldn’t at the time. And yes, I was part of that decision. I just believe with hindsight it was the wrong decision.

Pongify Modern Version

New 08 Jul 2022 Asked by lookingupanddown 32 Comments

If Pongify was made today, would it be an Aura with flash or would it just turn the creature into a 3/3 until end of turn?


It could be either. A flash aura is closer in function.

Out-of-Pie Effect and Reprints

New 29 Apr 2022 Asked by j-waffles 45 Comments

“Out of pie” just means it’s something that the color isn’t supposed to do anymore, so more effects like that probably won’t be made. But how much does this affect reprints? For example, Reality shift and Pongify are no longer in pie for blue, does this mean they are less likely to be reprinted? Or just less likely to be brought into formats that don’t already have them (I.e. standard)


Our policy is we don’t reprint breaks that introduce them to tabletop formats that don’t have them.

Errata for Identical Cards

New 07 Mar 2022 Asked by ghostlygideon 45 Comments

Could old mechanically identical cards like Pongify and Rapid Hybridization be errata'd to be the same card so that mechanically identical cards are universally understood to be the same?


There are certain effects we’re fine with you having more of in formats that have both.

Issue with Pongify

New 11 Jan 2022 Asked by godkingjinping 34 Comments

What's wrong with pongify?


We don’t want blue destroying creatures, even when under the flavor of transforming them.

Blue's Potential Pongify Effect

New 19 Oct 2021 Asked by doopboopdoop 49 Comments

Could Blue do a banisher priest style Pongify effect?


It’s not something we’ve done yet, but maybe. The key to blue’s transformations now is they’re temporary or undoable.

Blue’s Pongify Limitations

New 19 Oct 2021 Asked by ebonstone 56 Comments

"Glad to hear you like the change (and the article)." Is blue no longer allowed cards like Pongify?


Nope, at least not as an instant or sorcery. It can do it as an aura. It can also temporarily change a creature with a spell.

Status of Pongify in Blue

New 03 Apr 2021 Asked by sobek16 47 Comments

Is pongify still in blue’s slice of the color pie?


Things are in flux in this area.

Blue's Increasing Strength

New 10 Jan 2021 Asked by hedgeiii 90 Comments

Hello, Maro -
I've been a Magic player for a long time (1998). I'm very excited for the return of snow! I'm a fan of yours broadly, more than in just the realm of Magic, so thank you for that! Overall, I'm just a competitively casual player (no tournaments, favoring fun over power; limited is actually my favorite way to play).
I have to ask about Ravenform... outside of limited, including casual constructed, this is a highly efficient creature removal spell that is as good as most of black's and most of white's answers, and it's ... blue. I know there have a been a few of these card "molds" before, but this is the boldest yet, as part of a growing trend to presumably give blue "transformation" removal ... but they are very potent, evade-the-graveyard, HARD CREATURE removal spells (sorcery speed notwithstanding in THIS case), and blanking any threat for a fixed 1/1 flyer. By comparison, at least Pongify or the like made a beefy 3/3, and the Khans/Dragons block spell had a chance of being less quality loss with manifest.
I hate to be another of a 10,000 nay-sayers on this blog, but I feel very strongly about this, and I really need to ask:
Can you help to assuage my anxiety regarding blue's increasingly potent wedge of the color pie, and hard blue removal cards specifically? My feeling is this is part of Commander/ Brawl increasingly pressing even standard sets for more and better answers (and I myself rather loathe commander, which just adds insult to injury).
Thank you for your time, Mark! I hope you and your family have a great weekend!
-Ed Greco


Ravenform is not meant to be a precedent.

Blue's Transformation Spells

New 29 Nov 2020 Asked by forestd3w 66 Comments

“Blue can’t destroy permanents. It’s the primary color of stealing them though.” It does however destroy(or exile) a creature and replace it with a useless token(Pongify, Curse of the Swine). It's essentially a blue kill spell and I hate it.


It’s a transformation spell, which blue can do, and not flavorfully a kill spell. It’s an example where we use the “destroy” templating for text simplification.

Pongify's Place in Color Pie

New 29 Nov 2020 Asked by meemaw-the-beemaw 26 Comments

Is pongify a bend, break or in line with the color pie?


In line. The flavor is it’s transforming the creature into an ape. It says “destroy target creature” as it’s by far the shortest template, but as it’s transforming rather than destroying flavorfully we’ve allowed the templating exception.


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