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Rules for Ward Costs

New 10 Jul 2024 Asked by planeswalker-umbral 27 Comments

Is there anything in the rules stopping Ward costs that give opponents (ie the controller) something instead of paying a cost? Like "Ward - Each other player draws 2 cards". Or "Ward - Each other player searches for a basic land. It enters tapped and then they shuffle."


Yes. Wards, by definitions, have to be costs.

Missing Titan Text Explanation

New 08 Jul 2024 Asked by dullwitandravens 3 Comments

Is there a reason why you seem to no longer print cards with the "when this is put into your graveyard, shuffle yard into library" text from the original elldrazi titans? It feels like a major part of their identity to me, and i was a bit sad to see that none of the titans in MH3 had it.


It doesn’t play well.

White Ability Restrictions

New 20 Jun 2024 Asked by nabistay 23 Comments

Could white get "everyone shuffle their graveyard into their library", and if not, what would the philosophical reason not?


No, it’s not a white ability. Mechanics are isolated into colors to make the game play better, not because we couldn’t come up with a way to justify it philosophically.

Infinity Clown Rule

New 18 Jun 2024 Asked by zanmor 2 Comments

re: infinite clown cards in the library: Previously you've ruled (unless I'm mistaken) that a player with infinite life who is attacked by Infinity Elemental will still have infinite life after taking infinite damage. Infinity minus anything, even infinity, is still infinity.

It seems to me that the infinite clown ruling should parallel that. Once you "shuffle" infinite cards into a library it is only possible that a clown card is on top no matter how many you draw. One card minus infinite clown token cards would still leave infinite cards above whatever discrete unique card was in your finite library. Infinite draws would still leave infinite clown token cards above because (in Magic specifically based on prior ruling as I recall it) infinity minus infinity is infinity.

If I'm incorrect about that prior ruling then this doesn't stand, but to me this seems like the consistent ruling to make with regard to infinities in Magic. It's not a mathematical truth or ruling and I think players trying to approach it like that are bound to get tripped up.


I said you’re just drawing Clowns.

Infinite Deck Shuffling Details

New 18 Jun 2024 Asked by el-e-kid 2 Comments

About the clowns: it’s impossible to say whether a non clown card would ever be drawn because the question is under specified. With an infinite deck of cards, it’s not sufficient to simply say you “shuffle” them as you would a finite deck. Normally, this implies a uniform distribution, which is impossible with infinite cards. Therefore we must define some asymmetric distribution over the cards. So yes, with some distributions you would expect to never draw a non-clown (as an aside we also bump into the axiom of choice here: with infinite identical clowns, is it even possible to identify a specific one?). But we could also pick a geometric distribution while shuffling, with a probability p that each card (in order drawn) is a non-clown. Then we would expect to see a non-clown in just 1/p draws!


It still happens with great infrequency.

Infinity and Game Mechanics

New 15 Jun 2024 Asked by hyrosen-blog 5 Comments

Another fun thing about infinity - you cannot pick an integer "at random" (that is, where every possible integer may be drawn drawn with equal probability). It's not a definable concept. Which also means that you cannot shuffle an infinite deck, because that is equivalent to specifying a sequence of equally likely random positions in the infinite unshuffled deck.


I hope it’s becoming more clear why Mox Lotus and Infinity Elemental aren’t eternal legal. : )

Infinity Concept in Gameplay

New 14 Jun 2024 Asked by moonsliceman 15 Comments

Countably infinite does NOT mean finite. If you shuffled an infinite number of Clown tokens into your library, you would never draw another kind of card in that game. Infinity plus however many cards were in your library is still infinity. Imagine if you didn't shuffle. How many cards would be on top of the first real card? Infinite cards are on top, so you'd never draw the card. If you shuffled the deck, that would still be the case. There would be an infinite number of Clown tokens before and after each real card, because the chance of getting a Clown token between any two cards while shuffling is 100%. Not 99%, not 99.999...%, just 100%. Infinity divided by the cards in your library is infinity. You can never draw any real cards, because even if you took off the top card, infinity minus one is still infinity.Grenzo, Dungeon Warden would always hit, since there are an infinite number of Clown creature token cards on the bottom of your library. Since tokens have 0 mana value, you can't cascade into any real cards. You could mill out if you got hit by Tasha's Hideous Laughter. If you chose Land for Abundant Harvest, you would get one if you had a land in your library. However, if you got hit by Cut Your Losses, you would only mill Clown tokens, and no cards from your library. Infinity plus the number of real cards in your library divided in half is infinity, so you'd never get to the first real card, and you'd still have an infinite number of Clown tokens on top. Finally, if you happened to play Braingeyser with X equal to infinity, you would STILL not draw any real cards. Infinity minus infinity is infinity. You would have an infinite number of Clown tokens in your hand, and an infinite number of Clown tokens on top of your library.It's easier if you think of infinity as a description or a quality rather than a number. Treating it like a number infects whatever math you're doing with odd-looking results.


FYI

Infinite Clown Tokens Scenario

New 13 Jun 2024 Asked by aalgot 5 Comments

If I have infinite clown tokens (thanks to combining mox lotus with clown car.) and Claire on the field. And then a board wipe is used followed by me discarding emrakul to shuffle my graveyard into my library. Then what happen?


Your deck has infinite clown tokens, so basically you do nothing but draw clown tokens for the rest of the game.

Blue Mechanics Limit

New 23 Jan 2024 Asked by the8thneedle-blog 26 Comments

Hey Mark. Does blue get to shuffle creatures into libraries now?


Not really, no. Yes, there is a card in Murders in Karlov Manor that does. Not a precedent.

Blue's Removal Boundary

New 23 Jan 2024 Asked by namagem1 51 Comments

Dramatic Accusation, the recently previewed card, lets blue shuffle a creature into its owner's library. Isn't that a color pie break, due to its functional equivalence to straight up removal, which blue isn't supposed to get?


That card caused a lot of internal debate, and, I’ll be honest, I’m personally not happy to see it. I don’t think it’s going to be precedent for blue.

Shuffling Mechanics

New 22 Jan 2024 Asked by aalgot 36 Comments

If/when either make a card that lets us search and then not shuffle or integrate shuffling as part of searching.


I’ve tried to make shuffle an inherent, and unwritten, part of search, but haven’t, as yet, been successful. If, but I hope when.

Shuffling Tokens Mechanic

New 19 Dec 2023 Asked by aalgot 18 Comments

If I cast Claire, shuffle some tokens into my library and then cast shaharazad, then what happens to those tokens?


They get removed for the subgame and the shuffled back in for the main game.

Favorite Card Insights

New 14 Dec 2023 Asked by shadowkinggray 42 Comments

Hello Mark. I redeemed my coveted birthday rite several days ago, but it seems to have gotten caught up in the shuffle. I figured I wouldn't submit it on my birthday, which was the 6th, because a lot was going on then in Magic. My query was for any interesting tidbit about my favorite card in the game, Malefic Scythe from M21, and, provided you had nothing about it, instead the card that got me into the game, Errant Ephemeron from Time Spiral. Thank you very much for your time and consideration.


When we first designed suspend creatures, we started with familiar vanilla and French vanilla ones. Errant Ephemeron was Air Elemental, and one of the first ones we designed. Happy Belated Birthday!

Clue Edition Boosters

New 08 Dec 2023 Asked by wildcardgamez 42 Comments

"Grab 2 boosters, shuffle them together, and let the sleuthing begin; with 8 ready-to-play boosters (each featuring 1 new Rare card)" Does this mean the ready-to-play boosters in Clue edition aren't play boosters, but rather jumpstart boosters?


The boosters in the Clue edition are not play boosters. They’re similar to Jumpstart boosters in that you can make a deck by combining two of them, but I wouldn’t call them Jumpstart boosters either. We will get into more detail about them as we get closer to the product’s release.

Battlefield Zone Actions

New 08 Dec 2023 Asked by aalgot 33 Comments

If we can't destroy the battlefield why can we shuffle our graveyard into our library? that is also doing something to a zone


You can move cards from zone to zone. That is a different thing than destroying a zone.

Gunk Mechanic Test

New 19 Oct 2023 Asked by zibus 47 Comments

Have you guys ever tried a mechanic where you shuffle some kind of token or unwanted card into your opponent's library?


We did. Richard Garfield actually made it. It was called gunk. It’s just not particularly fun.

Shuffle Mechanic Query

New 05 Oct 2023 Asked by sjk9000 26 Comments

If you can destroy it, you can exile it, but what about "shuffles it into their owner's library"? Thinking about cards like Oblation or Deglamer. Can any color shuffle away a permanent type so long as they could otherwise destroy it?


Not normally, but I wouldn’t call it off limits if there’s a larger set theme.

Zone Interaction Mechanics

New 23 Aug 2023 Asked by trollmore 24 Comments

Re: cards that interact with zones: rule 400.12 says that an action performed on a zone is applied to all cards in that zone (e.g. “shuffle your graveyard into your library.”). Rule 303.4d states that Auras can only enchant one object or player, and if it would enchant multiple then the controller has to pick one. So something like “enchant graveyard” wouldn’t work as intended.


FYI

Playtesting Mana Issues

New 13 Aug 2023 Asked by kilo-pascal 49 Comments

When you're playtesting at work, does the team do anything to avoid mana flood/screw? Or do you let it happen to see how test cards work in those situations?


If it’s early and we’re not testing environment, we’ll just shuffle and draw a new hand. If it’s later when we are testing environment, we play like you all would play with normal mulligans.

Rule Clarification

New 02 Aug 2023 Asked by faerross 35 Comments

"What if Indomitable Creativity had the creatures enter from the library?"Complex replacement effect interactions were never my specialty even before the hypothetical... But my initial concern is based on anything that messes with the library as part of a replacement effect.

Firstly, while I can't think of replacements that require payment off the top of my head, Chromatic Sphere's card draw mana ability always makes me wary.

The potentially messier example would be Devour ('as ~ enters you may sacrifice creatures') combined with Blightsteel Colossus ('if it would die, shuffle it into your library instead), for which I'd love confirmation/correction from less rusty rules experts.

While applying replacement effects you haven't yet made zone changes, but this would end up with the game attempting to move cards from the library at the same time as they were being shuffled away. (And I've no idea what the current precedent is for that, if one exists.)

Even in the event the rules can handle the above scenario, it would be intentionally allowing a messy interaction for questionable gain. There would always be a group that insisted the ruling was incorrect. ("Never give an order you aren't certain will be followed.")


An FYI with someone more familiar with the rules.


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