Oblation

Shuffle Mechanic Query

If you can destroy it, you can exile it, but what about "shuffles it into their owner's library"? Thinking about cards like Oblation or Deglamer. Can any color shuffle away a permanent type so long as they could otherwise destroy it?

Not normally, but I wouldn’t call it off limits if there’s a larger set theme.

Colors Deglamer Destroy Mechanics Oblation Shuffle The Exile Zone The Library

White's Drawing Card Effects

Hi Mark! I know that is a narrow precedent, but are effects like Oblation and Martyr's Cry still on the table for white? Card draw tied to creatures but they have to leave the battlefield without being able to be recurred (graveyard).

White can have cantrip removal and white can have exile effects. Those can happen on the same card, but probably not often.

Card Draw Creatures Martyr's Cry Oblation The Exile Zone The Graveyard White

White's Color Pie

If "[w]hite has the most answers but its answers often ... give things to other players that help them," is Oblation still in white's slice of the colour pie?

I don’t believe it is.

Colors Oblation White

White's Draw Strategy

White is the worst at drawing which is fine with me. What are your thoughts on white giving opponents card draw in return for powerful effects a la oblation?

I’m okay with it in small volumes. I just want to be careful not to give white cheap universal removal by justifying it by saying “It’s okay. My opponent is getting something.”

Card Draw Oblation White

Curse of Swine Gameplay

Hey there, Maro. Long time reader, first time posting. Some feedback about Curse of Swine: From a flavor standpoint, I really dislike that you can turn a god into a pig. I understand the dislike of Pongify and Rapid Hybridization destroying, but in this particular case I would have preferred the consistency. From a gameplay aspect, I really dislike it exiling. I really wish it was a shuffle effect like a mass Chaos Warp or Oblation. At least then the card's still in the game, so to speak.

The flavor we are trying to capture is transformation. Flavorwise exiling makes the most sense as the original creature is no more as it has been changed. I’m okay with shuffling it in/putting it on the bottom as an alternate. For this set, remember that we can’t make indestructible gods, gameplaywise, without giving the players different ways to deal with them.

Chaos Warp Creatures Flavor Game Play God Indestructible Mark Rosewater Oblation Pongify Rapid Hybridization Shuffle

Oblation vs. Ring Debate

Wait, I understand hating on Chaos Warp, red shouldn't be able to easily deal with enchantments or have such broad-based removal available for the mechanical color pie. But what's wrong with oblation? White DOES have that sort of removal with Oblivion Ring and Faith's Fetters and such.

Oblivion Ring and Faith’s Fetters can be answered and the player gets back what was taken from them. That is not true with Oblation. I strongly believe white’s universal answers need to themselves have answers. I love that white’s dislike of killing things (aka its morality) gets it in trouble.

Chaos Warp Color Pie Colors Enchantments Faith's Fetters Oblation Oblivion Ring Red White

Oblation Card Critique

Why is Oblation a problem? White can get temporary answers to every permanent type, cf. Oblivion Ring.

White’s answers that answer everything are supposed to be answerable themselves. White can lock anything away (as opposed to killing it) but then that thing always has the chance of getting out. I don’t count drawing it again as being the same thing as there is no guarantee of that happening.

Oblation Oblivion Ring White

On Oblation

We know how you feel about Chaos Warp. What are your feelings on Oblation?

Also not a fan.

Chaos Warp Oblation

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