Leadership Vacuum

Bounce and Commander Interaction

New 31 May 2023 Asked by thisisanuncreativeusername 27 Comments

Re: Leadership Vacuum; I think in a vacuum it is just a bounce and tax, but in the context of a full game where that tax is added to each cast it feels like "Exile target commander" because most players would put their Commander in the command zone anyways in response to that effect


Blue gets bounce, which (usually) means putting it back from where it was cast from. Bounce also kills tokens which isn’t something blue traditionally does. Bounce can interact strangely with certain things.

Leadership Vacuum's Effect

New 31 May 2023 Asked by aworldw-oshrimp 20 Comments

Hi Mark! A followup on that Leadership Vacuum question. Vacuum seems to be a stronger removal spell than a card that said (for example) "target player sacrifices each commander they control", since Vacuum removes the option for the opponent to send the commander to the graveyard. Is this another example of regular Magic color pie logic (bounce as "soft removal") having some suboptimal fringe interactions with Commander mechanics?


Death triggers don’t happen when a creature is bounced. How is this different?

Leadership Vacuum Interaction

New 30 May 2023 Asked by person-of-note 24 Comments

Is Leadership Vacuum a break? It acts basically the same as Murder for commanders.


It’s more like a bounce spell (with some taxing) as the Commanders can be cast again.

Command Zone Rules

New 05 Jan 2023 Asked by minoke5618 26 Comments

For the Question Mark asking about nonlegends in the command zone, it's currently possible if your commander is mutated with a nonlegendary creature and Leadership Vacuum is used. (Of course, the nonlegend in the command zone is stuck forever but anyway...)


FYI

Leadership Vacuum Consultation

New 01 Sep 2019 Asked by justy-moehre 27 Comments

When you create a card like Leadership Vacuum, which specifically only works in commander (and variants), do you, at any point, talk to the Rules Committee about their view on the effect?


Commander design teams always talk with the Commander Rules Committee.

Color Pie Expansion

New 18 Aug 2019 Asked by kal-el-fornia 50 Comments

I have a question about the expansion of the color pie. Considering that white is going to get some stuff to "help it out" in Eldraine, along with black becoming the tertiary color of enchantment removal and blue getting targeted removal in the form of leadership vacuum, can we expect similar things for green and red when it comes to their weaknesses? And please give high fives to anyone who worked on Eldraine. The art is some of the best I've seen in years!


Black’s enchantment removal is a specific color pie shift. In normal business, we’re not trying to erode colors’ weaknesses.

Commander Tax Analysis

New 11 Aug 2019 Asked by zok72 97 Comments

In commander, the death/exile of a commander is lessened by the ability to put them into a command zone. When a commander is "taxed" from the command zone, it is an effect of death. Though the rules of commander make death less permanent for all colors, giving blue access to the tax in the name of bounce expands blues color pie in a way that circumvents a historical weakness of blue in commander (no access to the command tax). In other words Leadership Vacuum is at the very minimum a harsh bend.


The color pie is format agnostic. We make decisions for the color pie based on how its mechanical function matches the overall philosophy of the color. If the rules of a format make a color act quirkily within the confines of that format, that’s what happens. This is the same philosophy that makes us design commons to match their defined function as a common and not make commons just because it would work well in Pauper. Formats come and go while the color pie is a constant throughout the game no matter how you play. Blue sending creatures back to the zone they were cast from so they can be cast again is just something blue does. If that happens to give blue some extra functionality in a particular format, then that’s what it does. That’s not a bend.

Leadership Vacuum Query

New 10 Aug 2019 Asked by phyrexiathings 152 Comments

Just because leadership vacuum is color pie compliant, doesn’t mean it should be printed. Counterspell is perfectly within pie, and yet still excluded from modern. Similarly, ,time walk and ancestral recall are both well within the color pie.


Okay, Commander players, is Leadership Vacuum too strong?

Blue's Color Pie

New 10 Aug 2019 Asked by goku332 97 Comments

Nobody is saying Leadership Vacuum isn't in Blue's color pie. We're saying becauae of thw rules surrounding commander and command tax, it basically give Blue targeted removal. Either WoTC shouldn't have printed it bc of the rules, or maybe it bounce target players commander to their hand.


Let me try this from a different approach. Often in design we make effects we’ve never made before. When we do, we have to figure out where in the color pie we want to put them. We do this by looking at the component effects and matching them. After that, we have to take a step back and look holistically at the decision. By doing this are we doing something that will undermine a weakness of a color? With that said, let’s examine Leadership Vacuum. All the component pieces can be done in blue. Okay, let’s take a holistic view at the card. One of blue’s weaknesses is it can’t permanently destroy permanents. In this case, is it doing that? No, it’s specifically putting the card in a zone that it’s owner is allowed to recast it from. Yes, there’s a tax, but that isn’t undermining blue’s weakness. Blue is secondary in taxing. So, yes we’ve made a new effect in a color in a format, but it doesn’t violate the color pie, so we’re okay doing it. That’s what making new effects is all about.

Leadership Vacuum Logic

New 09 Aug 2019 Asked by melriken 107 Comments

Leadership Vacuum seems like a break to me, it effectively reads “2u instant exile the creature or planeswalker of your choice and draw a card” with added upside if your opponent is using partner or stealing mechanics... this isn’t an unsummon effect, Commander tax is increased. What makes this blue?


People often ask me how often people read Blogatog. The answer is there are some dedicated readers that read every day, but many just pop in every once in a while. We had a giant discussion about this last weekend. The short version. This is a new ability, so we looked at what a similar spell would look like. Imagine an enchantment that read “Flash, When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, return target creature to its owner’s hand and draw a card. It costs that player 2 more to cast any card with that name.”The flash is blue, black or green. The bounce is blue. The cantrip can be any color, but it’s found most often in blue. The taxing is white or blue - primary white, secondary blue. What color is this effect? Pretty clearly blue.Hope you had a nice weekend. : )

Commander Card Mechanic

New 04 Aug 2019 Asked by le-flesh 170 Comments

Calling Leadership Vacuum a bounce effect is disingenuous. All players can interact with cards bounced to a player's hand and many cards care about being played explicitly from their owner's hands. "Return to command zone" doesn't afford this. The card is giving Blue new space where it doesn't belong and the sad fact is that it could have been easily avoided by just sending the card to their owner's hand.


Here’s what happened. We wanted to create a card that bounced commanders back to the command zone. It was a new effect that made sense in a Commander product. We examined the ability from a color pie perspective. What color would return a creature back to the zone from which it was cast (and it could be recast from?) That was an easy call as only one color does that - Blue. The fact that the Commander rules make Murder act like a bounce spell does not make bounce-like effects not blue. I feel like I’ve said about all I can on this topic, so to save a whole bunch of more emails, I’m going to put this topic on hiatus for now. I’ve explained our rationale as best I can. If you’re going to continue to be upset, I can just say we’re going to have to agree to disagree.

Perception of Blue

New 04 Aug 2019 Asked by doortonothingness 59 Comments

Regardless of whether it's accurate or not, there does seem to be a fairly widespread perception that Blue oversteps its boundaries more than other colours, with Leadership Vacuum being the latest instance


There is a vocal minority that loves to argue that point on Blogatog. Don’t confuse that with “a fairly widespread perception”.

Leadership Vacuum Design

New 04 Aug 2019 Asked by le-flesh 49 Comments

Why didn't Leadership Vacuum return the commander to the owner's hand?


I had nothing to do with its design, but my guess was they wanted to create a spell that did things a little differently and, as this was a Commander product, they could reference the command zone in rules text.

Leadership Vacuum Explanation

New 03 Aug 2019 Asked by aworldw-oshrimp 83 Comments

Regarding Leadership Vacuum, I think the concern is that in Commander, "bounce commander to the command zone" is mechanically identical to "exile target commander", because the latter always results in the commander being put in the zone. The former feels Blue, but the latter does not, and unlike Unsummon effects, you have to pay the tax when you recast your Commander, which makes Vacuuming a commander just as good as Pathing or Swordsing it, for example.


If blue sent something to a zone that it could never return from, that would be a problem. It doesn’t do that. It sends it to a zone that it can then be recast from. That feels very blue.

Concern Over Blue Instant

New 03 Aug 2019 Asked by le-flesh 75 Comments

Hi Mark Commander 2019's new Blue Instant, Leadership Vacuum, is concerning. This is hard removal for Commanders that have already resolved and bypasses protection/hexproof/shroud/indestructible AND cantrips. Blue is supposed to have the worst post-resolution removal. This should have sent them to their owner's hand. As it is now, the card may as well Exile the targetted player's Commander(s).


It’s sending them to a zone where they can get recasted. That feels a lot like unsummonjng and feels fine for blue.

Blue Command Removal

New 03 Aug 2019 Asked by lazilyimportantnacho 37 Comments

is leadership vacuum a break in blue? on commander creatures it is effectively an exile effect that doesn't even leave behind a polymorphed creature. It acts like a black/white exile/forced sacrifice effect and not an unsummon effect, which they flavoured it as


Returning a commander to the command zone is far more similar to returning a creature to the hand than exiling a creature. The commander’s owner can cast it again.


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