Octopus

Non-mammal Creatures in Bloomburrow

New 11 Jul 2024 Asked by thunderweb 14 Comments

I wonder if non-mammal animals (such as crab, fish, insect, octopus, or spider) were considered as a draft archetype for Bloomburrow.


Lizards are one of the ten two-color pair animals.

Efreets as Djinns Transition

New 28 Jun 2024 Asked by solaris-adz 2 Comments

Hello Mark!

Sorry if this already got answered, Pinnacle Monk in Modern Horizons 3 seems to be an efreet from Tarkir, but in its typeline it's noted as a djinn. Is it the sign that efreet might come to have the same treatment as viashinos, nagas and cephalid in the future? (for thos who dont know, now with MH3 they are respectively lizards, snakes and octopuses)


We are no longer supporting the Efreet creature type. New “Efreets” will be Djinns.

Creature Types Consolidation

New 25 Jun 2024 Asked by fungustober 13 Comments

I'd like to voice my dislike of the paring down of some of the creature types, because I feel like differing viewpoints are good in game design and I've not really seen that many statements voiced in opposition to these changes. My view of it is that it strips out a lot of uniqueness of Magic as a setting. Other settings have humanoid lizards, but they don't have Viashino. Other settings have undersea-dwelling peoples, but they don't have Cephalids. Naga becoming Snake was completely understandable, and I think the justifications for it were valid. I do not think Viashino becoming Lizard or Cephalid becoming Octopus were remotely justified. On top of that, it creates some weird points, where you can see clearly crocodilian humanoids (the Viashino from Alara) now labeled as Lizards, which not only are separate types in Magic, they're not even closely related in real life (crocodiles are more closely related to birds and dinosaurs than lizards). I've seen a number of very loud people advocate for trimming all the "unnecessary" types in Magic out, but their proposals usually end up as "there should be about 20 creature types total." This is not only unsatisfactory from a game design standpoint--as it would make tribal decks a bit *too* easy to accomplish--but absolutely catastrophic from a flavor perspective as well. At that point, why not just have typelines be "TYPE1", "TYPE2", and so forth? Flavor and function have to work together, and sacrificing too much of either is a bad thing. Too little function, and the game becomes unplayable. Too little flavor, and the game becomes cold and sterile. This is not to say that trimming on creature types is a bad thing--I think Magic wouldn't be hurt by trimming on a few more creature types if you asked me--but just that I think the choice of creature types being trimmed is odd, to say the least. Why does a regularly printed creature type with new cards that were printed just earlier this year get the boot, and not something like trilobite, which has all of 5 cards, with a 4 year gap between the printing of the most recent one and the one before that? If this is to help tribal decks, why are there still one-off or two-off creature types being printed, like Varmint and Coyote?


We’re not getting rid of Viashino. They will continue to creatively exist. We will still refer to them in titles and flavor text as Viashino. All we’re doing is consolidating the creature types so that we’re consistent in how we use them. Magic has been treating animal humanoids this way (aka using the animal as the creature type) for two plus decades. All we’re doing is going back and fixing the few that got done before we adopted this policy back in the early days of Magic.

Homarid Species Modification

New 24 Jun 2024 Asked by wobbles 6 Comments

Why weren’t Homarid changed to Crabs or Lobsters when Cephalids changed to Octopus?


I’m not sure, but it’s happening.

Suggestions for Batching Sea Monsters

New 17 Jun 2024 Asked by stwwilkinson 5 Comments

Hi Mark, I've seen a lot of suggestions for batching sea monsters. What about the following alternative: batch all cephalopods (octopus, squid, nautilus, kraken, cephalid), leaving out serpents and leviathans?


Less call for that. This post being the only one. : )

On Sea Monsters Grouping

New 17 Jun 2024 Asked by chaosascendant-blog 0 Comments

So Outlaw is a grouping (Warlocks, Pirates, Rogues, Merceneries, Assassins), along with Party (Wizard, Rogue, Cleric, Warrior)If/When do we get Sea Monsters for Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus, Serpents as a grouping?


If, but small if.

Cephalids' Human and Octopus Types

New 14 Jun 2024 Asked by kallixti 4 Comments

I understand why you changed Cephalids, but why don't they get the Human type as well as the Octopus type?
Other "part X, part Y" creatures get both types — Bubble Smuggler is both an Octopus and a Fish. And Cephalids are closer to Humans than Octopi — their bodies are a mix of both, but their minds (and therefore the role they play in stories) are clearly far closer to Humans.


Because Humans are so prevalent, we’d usually don’t put Human on things that are half Human, half something else.

Errata Excitement for Kenessos Deck

New 12 Jun 2024 Asked by light-bender 21 Comments

Hi Mark,I've seen that some people are upset about the whole cephalid are octopus errata but as someone who plays a Kenessos deck I am pretty excited! "Sea creatures" are 4 pretty uncommon types so it's rare I get any fun pieces for that deck, this errata brought a lot of new (old) cards into the fold that I am excited to play. Bonus points the flavor is still perfect! So it seems like a great choice to me, please pass along many high fives.


Will do.

Support for Cephalid Errata

New 12 Jun 2024 Asked by pantswithoutlegholes 26 Comments

as a long-time player i'd like to voice my support for the cephalid style creature type errata. cephalids are still cephalids flavorfully, but mechanically having them grouped with existing octopodes has upside. having the word octopus on the type line also helps new players understand what the word cephalid means (octopus person), which i think is a boon to their brand. zombies are very popular and encompassing mummies, ghouls, nim, and skaabs is a positive for those varied creative executions.


I agree having Cephalids and normal Octopuses working together will be long term positive for the game.

Discontent Over Cephalid Errata

New 12 Jun 2024 Asked by cle-guy 106 Comments

Hey Mark, just want to say how incredibly disappointed I am that Wizards is errataing Cephalid to Octopus. As far as I can tell nobody was calling for it, and I think it’s a flavor loss. I never once think ‘octopus’ when I see Cephalids, it feels like a change made just for the sake of change, and with batching its just aggravating


A few years in, we stopped using made up creature names for creature types. Leonin were Cat and Aven were Bird. All we’re doing is applying how Magic has done flavor types for twenty-five years and applying it backwards.

Creature Type Batching

New 06 Jun 2024 Asked by ssriceboat 0 Comments

Hi Mark, Will we see more retroactively established creature type "groups" like we've seen with party and outlaws already? Looking at sea creature types that are commonly grouped, like "Leviathans, Krakens, Octopuses, Merfolk, Serpents". Can you add whale if you do? Thanks.


I assume we’ll do more creature type batching. If we did sea creatures, would people people like Whales added

Trivia: Slinn Voda Commander Card

New 01 May 2024 Asked by akkorokamui15 34 Comments

Mark! My friend introduced me to your blog just in time to invoke the rite of the birthday trivia. Could I request some trivia about my commander Slinn Voda? Thanks for the interesting and entertaining blog!


Slinn Voda is another card in a series of cards we’ve been making for years that reference Krakens, Leviathans, Octopuses, and Serpents. It started with Kiora, Sovereign of the Deep. Players liked it, so we made more. Happy Birthday and welcome to the blog!

Sea Monsters Query

New 29 Mar 2024 Asked by diazepam666 54 Comments

The "parties" that have appeared in the past and now the "outlaws" are an interesting experiment!
Kiora asked when Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus, and Serpent would become "sea monsters."


Tell her it’s possible in the right set.

Creature Type Changes

New 04 Nov 2023 Asked by tomwpost 42 Comments

What's the likelihood of A) cephalids being changed to octopus, B) viashino being changed to lizard, or C) homarids & camarids being changed to crab?


It is a topic that has come up on numerous occasions, so there’s a chance.

Iconic Creature Alternatives

New 30 Sep 2023 Asked by faerross 34 Comments

Has Design ever considered a batch in lieu of an individual iconic creature?

I.e., what if blue's iconic was "sea monsters" (kraken/leviathan/serpent/octopus)?


It kinda of fights the goal of an iconic creature.

Shark Tribe Addition

New 28 Sep 2023 Asked by strymon 62 Comments

Can I please request that Shark be added to the sea creature batch? (Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus, Serpent, or Shark) I eventually want to build a shark deck for my boss - she loves sharks - but there is not a lot of intrinsic support for the tribe. I’m hoping there might be some in Bloomburrow.


The problem with “underwater” batching is there are a lot of things that could be on the list.

Acorn Rules Question

New 28 Sep 2023 Asked by dabudder 15 Comments

Acorn Rules Question: Is folding token allowed if my opponent is playing with surprise party?


It has to be a Robot Clown token and the folding token is an Octopus.

Birthday Thanks from Mark

New 22 Jun 2023 Asked by jsands84 26 Comments

Hello Mark, It is my birthday and I wanted to thank you for a) the typal coupling of serpents, octopuses, leviathans and krakens becoming a recurring theme. It’s led to one of my favorite, most effective decks (and an EDH deck that’s, well, getting there). And b) switching from tribal to typal, even if primarily internally. It’s very cool of you all to take that into consideration. I hope you have a good day. ^_^


I will. Happy Birthday!

Sea Monster Classification

New 01 May 2023 Asked by angelfish-777 36 Comments

is there a reason why Nezehal, Primal Tide isn't a leviathan? I mean, it's a giant sea monster. which makes me curious,how do you go about defining Leviathan from Kraken and Kraken from octopus?


It’s a feel thing. There’s definitely some subjectivity.

Backup Ability Mechanics

New 08 Apr 2023 Asked by haru-n-harkel 31 Comments

Mark, for Backup, it says only the ability printed on the card. How does that interact with copies of mutated backup creatures? If I quasiduplicate a backup creature mutated with Sea-Dasher Octopus, will the token's backup ability share the octo's draw effect to a second creature?


Backup never copies anything that isn’t printed on the card. Not with copy effect, not with mutate.


Portions of Marodigest are unofficial Fan Content permitted under the Wizards of the Coast Fan Content Policy. The literal and graphical information presented on this site about Magic: The Gathering, including card images and mana symbols, is copyright Wizards of the Coast, LLC. Marodigest is not produced by or endorsed by Wizards of the Coast. All other content © 2024 Webscape Internet Engineers. All rights reserved.