Desert Twister

Reprinting Color Pie Breaks

New 29 May 2024 Asked by j-waffles 31 Comments

Are bonus sheet cards allowed to be pie breaks, since they don’t affect format legality? I get why desert twister wasn’t in thunder junction or the big score, but was very surprised it didn’t appear in breaking news or the commander decks


There are other rules about color pie breaks beyond the “we don’t add them to formats that don’t have them” rule. Another one is “we try not to reprint them if there isn’t a lot of player demand for the reprint”. Yes, some are staples in their format, so there’s a demand, but we try to reprint color pie breaks that we don’t have to.

Consideration for Desert Twister

New 24 Apr 2024 Asked by j-waffles 22 Comments

I know it’s a pie break so the answer is probably no, but was desert twister ever considered for thunder junction, the commander decks, or big score?


It being a pie break, no we never considered it.

Color Pie Abilities

New 24 Aug 2023 Asked by mysticleviathan 40 Comments

Are there any abilities that aren’t in pie for any singular color?


Yes, a bunch require multicolor options. The most famous is probably “destroy target permanent”. (Desert Twister is a break.)

First Color Identity Overrule

New 02 Jun 2022 Asked by nicolbolas96 31 Comments

Yeah Mark that's what I meant, a break is when the Council of Colors is overriden, so one may ask when was the first time you were overriden in the decision to print a card regarding its color identity?


That’s not how we define a break, but the first big time I got overwritten (and again I was just an R&D person that cared, I had no authority in this area) was reprinting Desert Twister in Fifth Edition.

Tactics for Disagreeing Decisions

New 21 Nov 2021 Asked by silpheed-tandy 28 Comments

when you fight against a decision (eg Morph not using the stack, Desert Twister being included), what tactics do you find yourself gravitating towards? e.g. do you launch into arguments? do you try to find common ground first? do you promise to give something they want in return? do you bribe with home-made cookies? etc


Usually, I explain the larger philosophy behind my decision.

Desert Twister in Fifth Edition

New 21 Nov 2021 Asked by dailynator 54 Comments

What is something you fought against in your early days that was overruled? (Similar to your fight against Alara being all gold.)


I tried so hard to keep Desert Twister out of Fifth Edition. It’s when I started championing the color pie. There wasn’t a good replacement, so it stayed.

Monocolor and Multicolor-only Mechanics

New 29 Oct 2021 Asked by v3rb4tim 34 Comments

Hey Mark, are there things that can only be done when the colors combine? Like, are there any multicolor-only mechanics?


“Destroy target permanent” is only doable in monocolor. And yes, Desert Twister exists, but it shouldn’t.

Color Pie Rules and Artifacts

New 15 Oct 2021 Asked by cicakemlelo 64 Comments

You've said a color pie break is when it undermines a weakness in a color. What of Scour from Existence and Universal Solvent, which let any color remove any type of permanent? Or in general, there's a whole lineage of artifacts that let e.g. green deal damage to creatures or give them flying. If the justification is it's less efficient than what other colors have access to, that could also justify Desert Twister? (Which sounds right to me: that weaknesses are relative rather than absolute.)


Most players do not understand power level. The difference between a color doing something, in the color, and not, can’t be differentiated solely by mana cost because the majority of players won’t get where the line is and will just read it as something the color does. Generic cost artifacts can hit the line because it’s not communicating that a specific color can do something, and we can set the mana cost to keep from causing practical issues. For example, destroying any permanent in generic mana always costs at least 7.

White's Destruction Capability

New 02 Oct 2021 Asked by onebuckchuck 32 Comments

Hi Mark. White can destroy any permanent type, but usually individual cards restrict what permanents that card can target. Do you think white could get a color-shifted version of the (ludicrous) card "Desert Twister"?


White can’t pinpoint destroy lands.

Color of Desert Twister

New 30 Dec 2020 Asked by tbjanowski 38 Comments

What color should Desert Twister be?


White/ black and black/green get “destroy target permanent”,

Concept of Color Pie Breaks

New 06 Mar 2020 Asked by katzenwiege 48 Comments

"Being a color pie break requires you being in the color, not whether or not a deck can play the card." (From an earlier answer.) This is something that took me a long time to understand, and I'm still not sure I fully grok it. Desert Twister and Scour from Existence both let green remove permanents, but only Twister hurts the game. So it's more than an issue of competitive balance. It's as if the colors have personalities, and color pie breaks are out-of-character actions. Is that at all close?


We set limits for colorless abilities. For example, it costs 7 to destroy a permanent. This keeps colorless cards from undermining the color pie. Color identity is more than just what can go in the deck, but what that color itself can do. If we printed colored cards doing off color things at colorless limits, it would set bad messages about what the color can do. Most players aren’t good at telling rate, so a colored card at a bad rate just says, “Yeah, this color can do this.”

Color Pie Establishment

New 16 Feb 2020 Asked by szwanger 49 Comments

What year or block would you say the color pie was first well-established? That is, a point when cards like Psionic Blast and Desert Twister were clearly violations.


Cleaning up the color pie was something I took on as a project when I started in 1995. It was a slow ramp up for the first few years. I think Odyssey/Onslaught was around the time that it got to a mostly stable state.

Color Pie vs Planeswalking

New 12 Jun 2019 Asked by ongelvin 102 Comments

[You:] "Learning Yanggu travels with Mowu is not meant to be some betrayal..." [Also you:]The best way to show that a colour is weak at something is to never print cards that allow it to do that thing; a single colour pie break will be cited as a precedent. (eg, Desert Twister; timeshifted sheets) // Regardless of intent, Mowu is currently the Creative equivalent of a colour pie break unless Yanggu is able to create planar gates.


Planeswalking is different from planeswalker to planeswalker. Some planeswalkers can planeswalk quickly and some take longer. Some can planeswalk often and some can only planeswalk infrequently. Planeswalking rules are not hard and fast. They are default rules. Most planeswalkers can’t do thing X, but that doesn’t mean no one can do them. It means it’s a rarity. That’s why the comparison doesn’t hold out. The color pie has crisp delineations because it’s all about how the colors are different from one another. The planeswalkers, in contrast, specifically vary from person to person. Each one is unique. So seeing what forty planeswalkers can do will give you a general sense of how the rules roughly work, but it’s not a definitive answer. They are two different systems, one built on delineation (color pie) and one built on variation (planeswalkers).

Desert Twister Colors

New 12 Oct 2018 Asked by theuninvitedghost 22 Comments

What color(s) would Desert Twister be today? Green/Black? Any others?


Black/Green or White/Black.

Beast Within Break

New 20 Mar 2018 Asked by ebonstone 24 Comments

"How bad of a break is beast within and how likely we see anything like it againIt’s bad and we shouldn’t see it again in monogreen." I presume Desert Twister is out of the question too?


Absolutely.

Colorless vs Green Capability

New 17 Aug 2017 Asked by mrpopogod 33 Comments

Is the reason Green can't have Desert Twister but a green deck can have Scour from Existence is that by putting an effect in a color puts it on the path of becoming normalized and costed cheaper?


The color green can’t do it. Artifact and colorless sources are not green.

Color Pie Principles

New 17 Aug 2017 Asked by deeathblade-blog 50 Comments

I feel your points on mr-obliterator's ask are valid, but doesn't having overcosted/bad downside enable colors to still have their weaknesses and bended color pie cards? I'd posit that Desert Twister is fine but Song of the Dryads isn't since DT is prohibitively expensive, or Gamble not breaking red since it's downside doesn't make it Demonic tutor but in red.


Dessert Twister is out of color pie. If you want a weak way to do something in a monocolor deck, go to artifacts. That’s part of why they exist.

Desert Twister Debate

New 21 Jul 2017 Asked by element-ary-deactivated20220315 49 Comments

Hey MaRo, do you consider Desert Twister to be a color break or just a bend? My playgroup has been arguing about it all week, and I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thank you for taking time to answer this ask and all the others!


It’s a crystal clear color pie break. One of the biggest fights I ever had in R&D was trying to keep it out of Fifth Edition. I lost obviously, but only because there were no other good choices to replace it with, and I got every member of R&D to swear it would never be used as a precedent for future cards.

Color Combos and Effects

New 17 Jun 2017 Asked by abernum-deactivated20190323 36 Comments

Are there any individual effects that can only be done by combinations of colors that can't be done any individual color?


Yes. “Destroy target permanent” can be white/black or black/green but isn’t allowable in any monocolor (in modern color pie - yes, I’m aware Desert Twister exists).

Breaks vs Bends

New 04 Jun 2017 Asked by gophilipbowles 40 Comments

Regarding the long-running Beast Within/Desert Twister issue, these cards feel more a bend than a break to me. Green normally needs creatures to kill other creatures - but then it normally needs creatures (or at least permanents) to draw cards, but you've described Harmonize as a bend. Removing a restriction on something the colour can naturally do (destroy creatures) seems different from giving a colour access to something it can't naturally do (such as Chaos Warp).


Desert Twister and Beast Within are definitely breaks. This argument says maybe I was wrong about labeling Harmonize a bend. Something to think about for the future.


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