Snakeform

Green Creature Alteration

Is there a certain p/t threshhold at which green could alter opponent’s creatures like snakeform? Like, say, making target creature a 3/3 or 4/4 until end of turn?

Green isn’t supposed to change the shape of creatures it doesn’t control.That ability is primary blue, secondary white.

Blue Creatures Green Primary Secondary Snakeform White

Green's Ability Limits

Snakeform can be played in monogreen. Is turning something into a 1/1 until end of turn a bend, or a break in green?

It’s either a serious bend or break.

Bend / Break Bend or Break Green Snakeform

Green Mechanic Query

Is Snakeform a break for green?

It’s more bend than break, but it isn’t a monogreen effect.

Bend / Break Green Snakeform

Beast Within Break

Why exactly is Beast Within a break? Green is allowed to change the power and toughness of a creature with stuff like Snakeform. Is it because Beast Within is a permanent change and not temporary? Or because it can hit planeswalkers? If Beast Within was just an aura that made a permanent lose all types and become a 3/3 creature, would it still be a break for green?

Green has a little bit of ability to alter stats of creatures. It’s not supposed to turn noncreatures into creatures.

Auras Beast Beast Within Bend / Break Creatures Green Planeswalkers Snakeform

Color Pie Exceptions

Synergy and flavor are allowed to bring things normally out of blue's pie into its spectrum(delver, pongify). Could green get a synergy-required pacifism or snakeform?

Neither Delver nor Pongify are out of Blue’s color pie. Blue gets small creatures and polymorphing.

Blue Color Pie Colors Creatures Flavor Green Pacifism Pongify Snakeform

Green's Removal Limits

so on the topic of green not getting pacifism: stuff like lignify (turns them into a 0/4 treefolk) and utopia vow and that commander one that turns them into a forest are out of color pie too, right? what about snakeform?

Yes, those are all out of color pie. If Green doesn’t have creatures in play, it is not suppose to have answers to creatures (okay, save fliers and artifact creatures).

Artifacts Color Pie Colors Commander Creatures Green Lignify Pacifism Snakeform Treefolk Utopia Vow

Blue Removal Philosophy

Follow up to the last question on blue removal: Why does blue get things like Curse of the Swine or Rapid Hybridization? While the flavor is spot on, the game reality is still basically destruction. Cards like Turn to Frog, Ovinize, and Snakeform feel like what blue "removal" should be. How are Polymorph and friends not just based around using a flavor justification to give a color an ability it shouldn't have?

Blue is allowed to change things. There’s no color pie breaking. Note that we make sure that they are changing into something still potent so it’s not “just removal”.

Blue Color Pie Colors Curse of the Swine Flavor Frog Ovinize Polymorph Rapid Hybridization Snakeform Turn to Frog

Hybrid Mana Color Pie

perchance, could we just state to fans with color pie-related questions that hybrid mana spells are TERRIBLE examples of what abilities should go to which colors? I've seen players cite examples in Snakeform, Spitting Image and so forth to demonstrate things that could be done by Green. Or perhaps we make a more general message: when trying to argue color pie, do not go to the one or two cards which break the rule to try to justify total disregard of said rule.

Players love to use the areas where we stretch as proof that we can do something. I agree with you that those are bad precedents to use to sway the argument.

Color Pie Colors Demonstrate Green Hybrid Mana Rules Snakeform Spells Spitting Image

Color Pie Definitions

"Power/toughness overwriting is blue." Isn't it shared with green? Gigantiform, Gigantomancer, Snakeform...

It’s not supposed to be and I keep fighting cards like you’re talking about. Green can have power and/or toughness boosting (even permanent stuff with auras) but overwriting (a la polymorphing/shapeshifting) is blue.

Auras Blue Gigantiform Gigantomancer Green Snakeform

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