Smothering Tithe

Smothering Tithe Break?

New 13 Nov 2023 Asked by casofsas 40 Comments

If smothering tithe is a break then is hullbreecher also a break?


We don’t want blue doing too much treasure making (Ixalan got too much), but blue gets a little. It has a small amount of access to other color mana that white doesn’t (such as changing basic land types).

Smothering Tithe Break

New 12 Nov 2023 Asked by wonderfulwitchwillow 50 Comments

If red and green are meant to be the best at making treasure tokens, does that make smothering tithe a bend or break?


It’s a break.

Reprints in New Sets

New 11 Oct 2023 Asked by honor-basquiat 52 Comments

Hey Mark,

Fairly recently, on one of your podcasts you were talking about when designing new sets how important it is to generate hype and excitement among the audience with new mechanics/cards/ideas. To me, it feels like in many of the recent sets with bonus sheets, reprints of 10+ year old cards that many enfranchised players have already played with or against are the aspects of the sets that are causing the most enthusiasm. Similarly, these cards often strongly influence Limited games to the point where games are won or lost because of old cards rather than new designs.To me it feels kind of underwhelming that the most powerful cards I can encounter in a draft or collector booster for a brand new Premier set aren't new cards but instead old staples (i.e. think Smothering Tithe and Rhystic Study in Wilds of Eldraine).

Reprints are important and players enjoy them, especially veteran players, but I do feel they take away the spotlight and attention when it comes to new premier sets.

Magic has tons of ways to reprint highly sought after cards (i.e. Secret Lairs, "The List", Reprint exclusive Masters sets, Commander pre-constructed decks) so why has there been an increased proliferation of lots of highly sought after reprints in new premier sets?


It has proven to be the means players enjoy the most. You get the reprints in the sets you’re already purchasing instead of having to buy other products specifically for the reprints.

Prelease Enjoyment

New 04 Sep 2023 Asked by blazinjsin 23 Comments

WOE prerelease was great. The roles and adventures were great, and I think this is my favorite bonus sheet so far. My Rhystic Study against my opponent's Smothering Tithe, and the guy next to me played Forced Fruition lol


Glad you enjoyed it.

Reprint Timing

New 17 Aug 2023 Asked by kasim18-blog 41 Comments

is there a particular reason you chose to put things like Smothering Tithe and Doubling Season into a Masters set (especially at mythic just days before showing that they would be in a different set? I noticed that with Concordaant Crossroads as well, a major reprint right after a Secret Lair. It feels like there would have been lots of other cards for one slot or the other. A card gets reprinted for the first time in a long time, then another immediately after. Any special reason for the trend?


A lot of balls are getting juggled, and their release dates can often change mid-development.

Smothering Tithe Revision

New 13 Jun 2023 Asked by j-waffles 52 Comments

You’ve said before that smothering tithe was a mistake and a pie break. If it didn’t trigger on the regular draw for turn, and only extra draws, would that be more in line with white’s ramp philosophy?


White’s taxing has to be a real choice that players can make, not something that gives the illusion of choice, but almost never gets paid.

Smothering Tithe Origin

New 28 Mar 2023 Asked by szwanger 32 Comments

Does Smothering Tithe predate the Council of Colors?


I believe so.

Smothering Tithe Origins

New 28 Mar 2023 Asked by dolbuzalo 58 Comments

If Smothering Tithe wasn't in white's part of the pie when it was printed, how did it get printed?


I was just one man! It’s why we started the Council of Colors, to stop things slipping through.

Smothering Tithe Tokens

New 28 Mar 2023 Asked by mysticleviathan 29 Comments

Would smothering tithe be as big of an issue if the tokens it created produced exclusively whife or colorless mana?


It solves the color washing issue, but not the ramp issue.

Smothering Tithe in Pie

New 27 Mar 2023 Asked by dabudder 73 Comments

Is smothering tithe still in white’s colour pie?


It wasn’t in white’s color pie when it was printed. And it still isn’t today.White is allowed limited amount of treasure as a means of taxing, but only if the taxed player has a true expectation of being able to buy out of it. Smothering Tithe is both too much taxing and unreasonable that the player can choose to continually paying the tax.

Treasures Mechanic Impact on Commander

New 10 Apr 2022 Asked by kriosuranous 55 Comments

I overall like treasures, but i feel like they are warping commander because three of the most overpowered cards of all time for the format (smothering tithe, Dockside Extortionist, and hullbreacher) all generate treasure, which leads to the mechanic being warping.


Ah, eternal formats, where mistakes live forever. : )

Addressing Treasure Mechanic

New 10 Apr 2022 Asked by blaze-1013 66 Comments

Since people are talking treasure and commander, the issue isn't treasures as a mechanic rather the power level of individual cards. Dockside Extortionist and Smothering Tithe just make a lot of treasure and give huge advantages for little work. Brass' Bounty meanwhile has been legal for ages and I don't think people have any real negative feelings for it. The ability to continuously make multiple a turn or a lot for little work is where treasures start to become an issue.


Do others agree with this contention?

Smothering Tithe: Bend or Break

New 08 Nov 2021 Asked by mooseontheloose2 34 Comments

"It can with the following restriction. White should not be able to reliably generate effects that are not within its color pie. So, white taxing something that would happen infrequently and unpredictably, could play around with non-white effects, but one that is very exacting in its taxing, meaning it would happen often and predictably, could not."Given that idea, and that idea as a whole, would you consider Smothering Tithe a bend or a break?


I’ll call it a strong bend that we shouldn’t have made.

Questioning White’s Mana Generation

New 19 Oct 2021 Asked by sonofabeholder 32 Comments

“White isn't supposed to be good at generating other colors of mana.”Mark, does this mean that Smothering Tithe and Monologue Tax (and the other white treasure generating cards from Strixhaven) are breaks or bends now?


They’re bends.

Taxing and Treasure Generation

New 18 Oct 2021 Asked by petruscaex 29 Comments

You said Smothering Tithe and Monologue Tax aren't in White slice of the color pie, but they're both taxing cards which is something in-pie for White. Does that makes the treasure generation a small bend in both cards?


I said treasure generation isn’t particularly a white thing. Taxing very much is a white thing.

Treasure Creation in White

New 18 Oct 2021 Asked by pikachugirltits 33 Comments

I noticed that White isn't listed under treasure creation. Are cards like Smothering Tithe and Monologue Tax no longer part of White's color pie?


They never really were.

Hullbreacher Card Query

New 01 Dec 2020 Asked by admiralsmash-blog 58 Comments

If Hullbreacher can't be a white card, does that mean that either Spirit of the Labyrinth or Smothering Tithe are no longer white effects? Because it seems like Spirit + Tithe pretty much make Hullbreacher, unless this is a case of "green gets deathtouch, and it gets fight, but it can't get a fight card with deatchtouch"?


Two things:1) It is possible for a color to do two things, but not be able to do those two things combined on a single card such as your green example.2) Those two cards combined are not the same thing as Hullbreacher. White can universally set rules to prevent something and it can tax something, but it doesn’t take something away from someone else and get a reward each time it does that.

White Card Additions in Commander

New 01 Dec 2020 Asked by nav566 64 Comments

After reading your Odds & Ends, I just want to say white got some overwhelming help over the past few years, from the point of view of a commander player. Generous Gift, Smothering Tithe, Dawn of Hope, Cartographer's Hawk, Keeper of the Accord Mangara the Diplomat and Luminous Broodmoth all Scoured new grounds for white in commander, and I personaly feel the effect a lot. So thank you for those.


You’re welcome.

White Permanent Mana Gain Query

New 17 May 2020 Asked by silentone2k 18 Comments

Could a white permanent have the "leaves play" part of Daxos's ability, but gaining mana instead of life? IE; "add W whenever a creature you control leaves the battlefield." Feels obvious in red or green, but is smothering tithe a signal that this could be white?


Mana production is less of a white thing.

White's Token Production and Tithe

New 03 May 2020 Asked by lookingupanddown 23 Comments

"White has artifact synergies, but it’s not great at producing other color mana." Sure, but isn't White the #1 token producer? Also, what does that make of Smothering Tithe?


It’s a bend. We made it in a multicolor set, so we bent towards the theme.


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