Baron Von Count

Critique of Flavor Words

New 11 Jul 2024 Asked by jdrawer01 6 Comments

Hey, Mark, I'm not to make another UB-related request. This isn't coming from an anti-UB place, and it's just one Goose's opinion, but I'm sure there are others who feel this way.Can we get rid of flavor words, please? I haven't seen a single upside to them presented, just downsides:

  • For decades, one of MtG's biggest strengths was capturing the ludonarrative. Having to spell it out makes it seem like you all have lost confidence in your ability to make card design that makes sense with the captured flavor.
  • If a design is intended to be funny (the Street Fighter cards come to mind), it feels like you're pointing at the "joke" and saying "See? Please laugh." As a person who has a comedy background, I'm sure you understand why killing the frog is bad.
  • Death of the epithet: The most minor of the criticisms, but I really think "Ian Chester, Science Teacher" reads better than "Ian Chester" and then calling his ability "science teacher." (I may be mixing up the WHO teachers, but this applies to both, luckily.) Epithets also make it easier to depict multiple "moments" of a character without giving a card up as the "definitive" version of that character.
  • It feels like you don't trust players to get why the card text is what it is. Telling your audience you don't expect them to be smart (or rather, literate) enough to "get" it doesn't really help. I've seen people say they add flavor to the cards, but the flavor isn't diminished by removing the flavor words (flavor is when things are fleshed out and living, not when things are spelled out). If it's for fans of the IP, then they already get it (Oh, the activated ability that grants flying is referencing this character's rocket propulsion). Non-fans of the IP aren't benefited either, as they will sus out said character has rocket propulsion or be left completely in the dark (see Cult of Skaro: These words do nothing to tell me about the ability. If you were to leave them out, I'd still be able to sus out that each ability corresponds to one of the four Daleks depicted).
  • Lastly, they make cards harder to read. When trying to grok a card, there should be as few words as possible I'm supposed to ignore.
I understand some people will go "I recognize the thing" and a bulb in their brain will light up, but something being easy like this doesn't mean it's better or that we actually like it more.I guess there's the potential upside that you could slot in numerals to power up my Baron von Count deck, but I don't see any real tangible upside to them. Obviously I'm missing something. Can you say what it is?
(Also, even if you don't answer it,thank you for taking the time to answer this book of an ask. These are feelings I've been sitting on since AFR and keeping an open mind on in case I changed how I felt from my initial reaction.)


Flavor words can do some things that we can’t replicate elsewhere. I agree they can be overused, and are not always used optimally, but I don’t think we want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Unrule Query

New 12 Jan 2024 Asked by yaksha89 21 Comments

Important Unrule question. My Baron von Count has lost his counter. An Eye of Doom has entered the battlefield. If I put a new Doom counter on the Baron can I place it on any of the numbers?


No, it always starts on 5.

Baron Von Count Mechanic

New 12 Jan 2024 Asked by blazinjsin 20 Comments

If you were to remove the counter from Baron Von Count, does it basically turn him off until it can enter the battlefield again?


Yes.

Multiple Doom Counters

New 11 Jan 2024 Asked by fall-to-winds 36 Comments

JUDGE! Specifically, I have need of your might as the official Un-rules judge!If Baron von Count were- somehow- able to get a second Doom Counter on him (perhaps through proliferate), where would it be set? Would its position be the same as its predecessor, or would it always start at 5?


It doesn’t functionally do anything. You just have two counters marking the number rather than one.

Rules for Baron von Count

New 03 Dec 2023 Asked by jdrawer01 31 Comments

Judge? As far as Baron von Count is concerned, if a spell I cast has a value perpetually modified (such as by Hex, Kellan's Companion), do I check the printed value or the new value for the desired number?


We’re getting into theoretical space as the two don’t exist in the same play space. If a card is permanently changed such that the actual card text is something new, Baron von Count would hypothetically look at what’s on the card and that would be the newer thing.

Baron Von Count Inspiration

New 16 Nov 2023 Asked by nitrabant 32 Comments

Hi Mark, do you have any trivia about what or who inspired "Baron Von Count" in Unstable?


We were doing resonant villain tropes, and the over-the-top mad scientist with grand villainous plans was one of them.

Silver-Border Legality

New 02 Oct 2023 Asked by power-coded 30 Comments

You have mentioned before the idea of old silver-border cards becoming eternal legal. An idea that I’ve wondered about is the possibility of new cards representing some of the harder to translate ones using new mechanics that have been implemented/innovated since the set’s release.For example, Baron Von Count could be remade using an emblem like “the ring tempts you”, and Grusilda could be pretty closely replicated with Mutate. I love the design of a lot of the Unstable legends, so being able to more comfortably use them at Commander night would be nice.


All the changes you mention would be pretty significant, and thus, highly unlikely.

Baron Von Count Mechanics

New 06 Jun 2023 Asked by planeswalker-umbral 25 Comments

Unrules question: If I have Baron Von Count and proluferate the Doom Counter on it, does the new counter start on the current number, the number 5 or not on a number at all?


Proliferating Baron Von Count doesn’t net you anything other than an extra counter that doesn’t do anything mechanically.

Baron Von Count Trigger

New 02 Mar 2023 Asked by geistfueledscarecrow 27 Comments

Hello! I was wondering...
If you play an X spell, where X is anywhere between one and five, does that trigger Baron Von Count? Or does the numeral have to be on the original card?


It has to printed on the card.

Grusilda Design Status

New 30 Sep 2022 Asked by wehavenotbeenchosen 24 Comments

Hi Mark,It was my birthday last week so I am asking delayed:Would Grusilda, Monster-Masher be black-borderifiable, or is she consigned to Acorndom? She is my favorite BR card (followed closely by Baron von Count!)


She is firmly in acorn space much like It Came from Planet Glurg inspired by her.

Foreboding Statue Trigger

New 07 Apr 2022 Asked by placeholder314 19 Comments

Will Foreboding Statue trigger the 5 on a Baron Von Count?


Yes. That’s considered “the text box”.

Baron Von Count Card Clarification

New 13 Nov 2021 Asked by wurmcoilengine-blog1 21 Comments

A quick question about Baron Von Count: if I played a card like Afflicted Deserter, would I be able to move the counter from 5 to 4 because the text box has the power and toughness of the back side on it?


No, because the numbers aren’t in one of the specified places.

Baron Von Count Interaction

New 27 Aug 2021 Asked by hey-howsitgoin 19 Comments

Hey How's it Goin Maro! I have an UN rules question : About the interaction of Everythingamajig (a)'s first ability (2, ⤵️: Move a counter from one permanent onto another. If the second permanent refers to any kind of counter, the moved counter becomes one of those counters. Otherwise, it becomes a +1/+1 counter) and Baron Von Count's Doom Counters, Could a counter moved onto the Baron be a second Doom Counter & could it be placed on a different numeral than the original Doom counter? Or would a Doom Counter simply sit on Baron Von Count with no functionality?


It would have no functionality.

Baron Von Count Interaction

New 07 Apr 2020 Asked by upgradedstick 28 Comments

Silver-bordered rules question: What happens to an opponent that is destroyed by Baron Von Count but has an effect stating they cannot lose the game? Do they go to their graveyard?


A player can’t be destroyed if they can’t lose the game.

Card Effect Interplay

New 11 Mar 2020 Asked by smoltron 32 Comments

If I Use Baron Von Count to destroy a player while I have an Abyssal Persecutor on the battlefield, does that prevent them from being destroyed or are they simply destroyed without loosing? If it's the latter, can I then use Princess Twilight Sparkle to cause a destroyed player to win or are they no longer considered to exist for the purposes of that effect?


It keeps them from being destroyed as being destroyed is losing.

Un Rules Query

New 01 Mar 2020 Asked by weatheredwayfarer 25 Comments

I have an Un rules question. What happens to a player who gets destroyed by Baron Von Count if they're unable to lose the game? Players can't become indestructible so I feel like they must still get destroyed and then maybe they have to play the rest of the game in a destroyed state, but I need confirmation.


The Count attempts to destroy you, but if some other effect saves you, you’re not destroyed.

Baron Von Count Rules

New 28 Jan 2020 Asked by banalitybob 44 Comments

Hi, Mark, I have an Un-Rules question. For Baron Von Count, would the misprint Corpse Knight that is a 2/3 count as a 2 and 3 or since it is a misprint just be a 2 for purposes of the Good Baron's ability? If so, it would be great for him, since a 1 is also in its text box.


Silver border cards look at the specific card in question when looking for components, so for purposes of the Count, the misprint has a 2 and a 3.

Proliferate and Doom Counters

New 15 Nov 2019 Asked by languagerider 30 Comments

How does proliferate interact with Baron von Count? I.e. If there's a Doom Counter on 3, and I proliferate that counter, does the additional counter get put on 3, 5, or could I chose?


It doesn’t interact in a useful way.

Un-mander Trivia

New 05 Oct 2019 Asked by raygallade 35 Comments

Mark, I’m in my 3rd year of teaching and it is 4 days after my 25th birthday. For my birthday trivia, could I get some new trivia about my #1 favorite Un-mander, Baron Von Count?


Door to Nothingness’s activated ability originally read “Destroy target creature or player”, but I couldn’t get the Rules Manager to sign off on it, so I saved it for the next Un-set. It took a while, but finally I got “destroy target player” onto a Magic card. Happy Birthday!

Irencrag Feat Templating

New 22 Sep 2019 Asked by yesterminute 29 Comments

If the new templating for Irencrag Feat is not going to be erratad onto older cards, does that mean that only some of those cards which add several bits of mana or give you energy will work with Baron Von Count, and some won't?


Correct.


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