Primal Vigor

Doubling Season Effect

Follow-up question on B.O.B. - Does their static ability count as an "effect" for the purposes of Doubling Season? With Doubling Season in play, I'd think that activating +1 would create 2 beebles, which would add another loyalty, which would create 2 more beebles, which would add 2 more loyalty, which would create 4 more beebles, etc. Or does the doubling only apply once? Thanks!

From the Unsanctioned FAQ: Say I have a card that doubles my token production, like Doubling Season. What happens?Doubling Season (and a few similar cards) applies “if an effect would create one or more tokens,” so it will double the initial shipment of Beebles. You’ll create eight of them as B.O.B. enters the battlefield. However, it won’t double the one created because you activate the first loyalty ability. That Beeble is created because of a cost, not an effect.However, some more recent cards like Primal Vigor don’t specify “effects” and will double any and all Beeble births.

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White's Token Creation Potential

May I request more cards that increase token production, especially in white? Also, please more reprints of Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, Primal Vigor, and Annointed Procession?

I agree white should be the best at small token creation.

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Doubling Cards

What about Gisela, Blade of Goldnight in FtV: Doubling. She is my favorite doubler. Also, no love for primal vigor? Is it because its new?

I didn’t name all the doubling cards just the ones I thought of. I’ve been at it for a while. There’s more. : )

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Primal Vigor Clarification

Maro can you make sure that people know that primal vigor only doubles two things, +1/+1 counters on creatures and token creatures? It doesn't affect charge counters loyalty counters, poison counters -1/-1 counters... Not even +1/2/+1/2 counters from little girls.

If the +½ / +½ counter is actually half a +1/+1 counter, which it is, then it does get doubled.

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Comparing Cards

For me the feel-bad about Primal Vigor is that it's strictly worse than DS but the exact same mana cost. Had it costed 2GG instead or something it would be a cool card.

The fact that is global (not just for you) makes it not strictly worse because there are shenanigans you can do with it you cannot do with Doubling Season. Note I’m not saying it isn’t in most cases weaker, but it allows something the previous card does not.

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Mission: Primal Vigor

Mr. Rosewater, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get Primal Vigor reprinted in a standard legal set. This message will self destruct in five seconds.

Just to show you how players can be divided…

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Little Girl and Primal Vigor

I like Primal Vigor. But the biggest problem with it is that it doesn't help with scavenging Little Girls.

Fine, just Rite of Replication the Little Girl. : )

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Standard Doubling Season

Any chance we'll see an actual fixed Doubling Season in an upcoming set (rather than a similar card that serves a completely different purpose like Primal Vigor)?

We just saw Doubling Season in Modern Masters. As for a Standard-legal set? I tried it with Zendikar but development removed it because the card is just too powerful with planeswalkers.

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Primal Vigor Role

So... It looks like Primal Vigor is a doubling season that synergies with Infect.... While I can't imagine any other (real) card that screams MaRo more than that, is there any particular reason the "you control" clause was left out?

I’m just guessing as I wasn’t involved, but I think they were trying to make it have more of a multiplayer role as it was for a Commander product.

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Primal Vigor Feedback

Mark, it seems like the reveal of Primal Vigor has mostly unfavorable comments towards it. I understand that the idea was that this new version of Doubling Season prevents the whole planeswalker abuse situation, but was there any other reason why you guys decided to give us this card?

The responses I’ve gotten have been overwhelmingly positive. What don’t you like about it?

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Understanding NWO

I'm a little sad Primal Vigor doesn't follow NWO and gives benefits to everyone. It's a perfect fix for doubling season otherwise.

I think yours understand what New World Order is. It’s a system to make sure common is not overly complex.

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