Aftermath

Introduction of Value Booster

New 09 Jul 2024 Asked by anyguy 36 Comments

I really don't understand WotC sometimes, you take away the draft booster, because there are too many booster product lines, but now introduce the new "Value Booster", even though smaller, non-draftable boosters have proven to be unsuccessful wither aftermath. I really don't understand that logic.


The Value Booster is for a very narrow type of store. Most players will never see it.

Potential of Non-draftable Sets

New 25 Jun 2024 Asked by pikachugirltits 8 Comments

We know non-draftable small sets have been shelved for Magic lore based sets after the failure of Aftermath. If Assassin's Creed does really well, do you think WotC might do more non-draftable small sets for UB releases? If Assassin's Creed does really, really well would you possibly reconsider them for in lore sets?


We do market research, so we can learn whether or not people like non-draftable sets exclusive to how well an individual set sells.

Aftermath Set Justification

New 29 May 2024 Asked by starlightofpenguins 39 Comments

Given small expansions flopped, why did Aftermath ever seem likely to work out? "More of the same", even with more story, had always sold relatively poorly, no?


It was exploring the space of what happened if we didn’t have to care about limited play?

Aftermath Sets Adaptability

New 29 May 2024 Asked by zombsidian 26 Comments

Is there any other sets that already had an Aftermath set in production like OTJ did? Or are any other examples so far from release that they can be more properly absorbed into the main set than a seperate sheet?


The farther out we go, the easier it is to adapt to changes.

Phyrexian Invasion Impact

New 20 May 2024 Asked by 1953943 19 Comments

I understand that there are things you can point to that are visible consequences of the Phyrexian invasion like story content and the deaths of Eldraine’s king and queen, but doesn’t it say something that you need to point those out as counter arguments to begin with?The problem with threatening a Phyrexian planar threat is that the damage was implied to be irreversible. Compleation often involved grotesque surgical mutilation, so it doesn’t make sense that compleated characters could return to normal so easily and without any significant scarring. Phyrexian oil is supposed to be so dangerous that a single drop could eventually infect and corrupt an entire plane, so it seems impossible to eradicate. Even ignoring the resilience of the Phyrexians themselves, a large scale military invasion aided by the most powerful beings on each plane should have left those planes in a post-apocalyptic state, yet all of that seems to be off-screen or completely disregarded. We went underground for Ixalan, so we didn’t see the devastation. We went into the wilds for Eldraine, so we didn’t see the courts in shambles. Ravnica seems to be the same as ever, just with more detective hats. And the last set of the year that immediately followed the invasion takes place on a plane nobody even lived on during the invasion, so there were no consequences to show off.I think the real issue isn’t necessarily that there weren’t consequences, but that you guys chose deliberately not to show them on cards, outside of the desparked planeswalkers and a few cards in Aftermath. As it is, it’s difficult to believe that the Phyrexian threat that was built up over decades could be so easily repelled AND completely defeated at the height of their power, but I would argue that the sets directly following the invasion should have all had a blatantly dark, somber, post-apocalyptic theme. Instead, we got a bunch of light hearted costume party sets that seemed chosen specifically to NOT show how much damage was done. I get that you want to have a tone shift after a darker year, but it just feels like instead of getting closure, we all just got whiplash instead. It would have been better to show a struggling multiverse slowly learning to rebuild before diving into the next big arc.


There’s a big difference between did big things happen and do we need to focus on them? For the Vorthoses who read the stories, the Phyrexian War had huge consequences for many worlds. From a game standpoint, it changed how we used a whole card type and allowed us to make sets we couldn’t make before. The impact of the events of March of the Machine on flavor and mechanics was major.The reason we didn’t focus on the outcomes on the cards and have a year of dreary sets is we strongly believed the majority of the players didn’t want that.

Appreciation for Aftermath Fan

New 26 Apr 2024 Asked by kidcincinnati 25 Comments

I would just like to say that (as a sicko Aftermath fan, at least design-wise) that BIG is my favorite part of OTJ and I appreciate all the work done to massage it into a state that could see the light of day. I am weirdly that much more eager for Assassin’s Creed, given what this model has enabled from a design perspective.


Glad you’re happy.

Assessing Aftermath Set in Bonus Sheet

New 22 Apr 2024 Asked by rynosaur94 68 Comments

Has it become clear yet if cramming the Aftermath set into a bonus sheet was a success or not? Seeing how bomb heavy the prerelease was made me dislike that solution to your self-made problem quite a lot. Stoneforge Mystic and Oko are incredibly warping in limited.


You’re conflating the bonus sheet of reprints with the Big Score collection of new card designs ported over from the Aftermath-ish product.

Inquiry into OTJ Set Numbers

New 21 Apr 2024 Asked by biquenappeur 40 Comments

Hi Mark, unsure if this has been asked

The Set Numbers in OTJ really have me in a tizzy near the end there.
Usually I would expect WUBRG + alphabetical, but in OTJ this pattern is broken with Bucolic Ranch - Spirebluff Canal, and of course Jace Reawakened clocking in between the non basic and basic lands at 0271.
Was there a particular thought/reason there?


Absorbing the Aftermath set into the main set is the cause of most of the weird collector numbering.

Plane Duration vs Sales

New 14 Apr 2024 Asked by doesthewormthinkthatsthewayweall 20 Comments

If polling showed that staying on a plane for longer than one set had players happier with having more cards exploring the mechanics, happier with the depth and pacing of the story, were more likely to form deeper relationships to named characters, etc., but sales were still the same block structure expectation of a second set making less money, would this at all move the needle towards having more consecutive plane products? (I am including the possibility of smaller products like Aftermath, but obviously not the way Aftermath was done since it seems that shipped has sailed for the time being). I ask because I don't know what that polling data is, but I do know those second sets don't sell as well, and I (naïvely?) think that money matters but isn't the sole and exclusive metric of a good set.


Sales (almost) always goes hand in hand with market research about happiness. If players are happy about something, they spend more. It’s not as if staying on a world is positive on every metric, but sales.

Aftermath Planning Insights

New 08 Apr 2024 Asked by violet-returned 22 Comments

re: MKM Aftermath.Was the decision to not execute on it made before or after MAT failed so spectacularly?


We wanted to do an Aftermath for the next Magic year, and started by asking what set should have it. We then came to the conclusion that it should be the last set in the “Magic year”. All of that happened before March of the Machine: Aftermath came out.

Aftermath Set Consideration

New 08 Apr 2024 Asked by ilxia 16 Comments

Was an Aftermath style set ever planned for Murders at Karlov Manor in development? It seemed like the perfect opportunity to set up the mystery in the main set and then solve it in the Aftermath.


It was discussed, but never executed on.

Aftermath Sets Fate

New 07 Apr 2024 Asked by shahrathestoryteller 38 Comments

Hi Mark. A happy little accident occured with the death of Aftermath/epilogue sets and the transformation of Thunder Junction's Vault/epilogue sheet as a bonus sheet. How successful was BIG's product and story, and how likely are we to set an epilogue set again as a bonus sheet?


I think this was more of a solution to a problem than the start of something new, but if people really like it, who knows?

2025 Set Creation Status

New 07 Apr 2024 Asked by sigmasonicx 19 Comments

Out of curiosity, was any work done on a 2025 epilogue/aftermath set?


Very little if any.

BIG Cards Origin

New 04 Apr 2024 Asked by skagerrakgodofdarkness 35 Comments

What’s the story behind the BIG cards? Were they meant to be an aftermath set originally and changed after Aftermaths reception?


Yes, The Big Score was originally planned to be Outlaws of Thunder Junction’s Aftermath.

Future Bonus Sheets

New 04 Apr 2024 Asked by tybonel13 42 Comments

If The Big Score does well could we see more "bonus sheets" with new cards? I really like the card designs in BIG and Aftermath and would love to keep getting cards designed that way, despite Aftermath doing poorly and BIG just being a quick fix.


It’s something we can consider.

Aftermath's Unpopularity

New 04 Apr 2024 Asked by godkingjinping 62 Comments

What about aftermath was hated


Pretty much every aspect of it. There really wasn’t anything people seemed to like.

Aftermath vs Mercadian

New 03 Apr 2024 Asked by casofsas 70 Comments

How does Aftermath compare to Mercadian Masques?


I assume you’re asking about player dislike of the set. Mercadian Masques was strongly disliked. Aftermath was hated. Significantly lower scores than Mercadian Masques.

Aftermath Reception

New 31 Mar 2024 Asked by 22bebo 46 Comments

It feel like lots of people may have missed that Aftermath was a product trying to fix the "two sets on one world" issue and that it was received so badly you had the scrap the second instance of it crazy late into production.


It plays into the larger issue, although Aftermath had a bunch of other issues.

Collector Number Anomaly

New 30 Mar 2024 Asked by unastrenoir 47 Comments

Why is Jace Reawakened collector number 271 ??? He isn't part of the U cards?


Jace Reawakened was originally part of the Outlaws of Thunder Junction Aftermath set. That product was killed pretty late, so much so, that we couldn’t change the collector numbers when we moved Jace into the main set. I think the rest of the cards from Aftermath (at least the ones we kept) are part of the Big Score.

Planeswalker Feedback

New 30 Mar 2024 Asked by thatdude2 117 Comments

It's been (almost) one year since Mom. One year since the desparking and the omenpaths. And i have to say.... i'm just as unhappy about it as i was back then. Omenpaths so far have been used or for Kellan's travel (in which he dosen't act different from a planeswalker) and for the villian mash-up of thunder junction. Desparking meant throwing away the core cast of characters you built for the last 10+ years. What has come to replace them? Nothing. Kellan settling down after less than a year of introducing him removes any chances of him being the start of something new. All in all i feel like you broke something that was special about the IP (planeswalkers) and all the work you did in getting players attached to them. For slightly different planeswalkers and a set that feels like an online game battlepass.I'm not one for undoing the consequences of events, because they take away from the stakes of the future ones. But if this is what we get in exchange for the characters we spent time with for all these years.... i'd be happy to have an event set be a "second sundering" to MAT "spellplague".


How do others feel about this?


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