Tome of the Infinite

Color Pie Flexibility

New 14 Dec 2021 Asked by petruscaex 41 Comments

I may be biased in my analysis but this discussion about Tome of the Infinite makes it really sound as if the Council of Colors is way more flexible with Green and Blue shares of the Color Pie than with the share of the other 3 colors...


In the last two years, we’ve allowed more changes to white than the four other colors combined, so yes, it’s observation bias.

Grappling with Tome of the Infinite

New 13 Dec 2021 Asked by groselhaviking 22 Comments

About Tome of the Infinite. I feel like it being repeatable and having no casting time restriction is too much. Blue player can fill their hands with out of pie effects, making the experience too much out of colour pie. Don't think giving blue repeatable access to some of the best answer for their weaknesses, even at random, makes a fun gameplay.


There’s a difference between not liking the card and the card not being in color pie. A card can be completely in color pie, but be something you wish we hadn’t made.

Justifying Tome of the Infinite

New 13 Dec 2021 Asked by elmdormesdoram 25 Comments

I really don't like how cards like Mind's Dilation are used to justify Tome of the Infinite. I think there's a difference between stealing/copying something that's already inside the game, and getting effects completely at random.


Getting truly random effects wasn’t a possibility until digital effects existed. It’s just the closest effect that existed prior. And yes, I do think blue can get random spell effects (instant and sorcery) provided the pool is large enough.

Mind's Dilation Comparison

New 13 Dec 2021 Asked by lookingupanddown 23 Comments

Wouldn't Mind's Dilation and other effects that let you play cards from your opponents' libraries be a better comparison for Tome of the Infinite?


Yes. See my answer below.

Defending Tome of Infinite

New 13 Dec 2021 Asked by myheartgoesoontz 28 Comments

Mind's Desire as a defense of Tome of the Infinite seems disingenuous. Mind's Desire can't give you out of pie effects unless you include those cards in your deck, and thus either accommodate their mana needs or risk drawing them dead. Tome gives you access to both cards that have abilities outside of blue's pie and a way to cast them without needing nonblue mana, in a single package. A blue card that randomly produced those effects directly would be a break 100%, conjuring seems like semantics.


Blue can also cast cards out of the opponent’s library which is even more analogous to this effect. And as the most spell-focused color, blue *is* the color that is able to cast random spells. The fact that it can’t control what the effects are is why it’s okay for blue, much like black gets any color’s enter the battlefield effect but only when it reanimates creatures. Colors can, through certain narrow restrictions, access effects outside their color.

Tome vs Mind's Desire

New 13 Dec 2021 Asked by clatterslikeworry 25 Comments

Mind's Desire requires you to have the cards you want to cast in your deck, and you therefore need to choose whether to include the relevant mana sources or live with the risk of drawing dead cards. Tome of the Infinite is designed to let you get around this. Does that make it a break? (I think it does, but am interested in your view.)


There‘a a trade off though. Mind’s Desire gives some loose control of what you can draw, where Tome of the Infinite is random, so you have zero ability to build around it like you do with Mind’s Desire. Anyway, Tome of the Infinite is not a break. Blue can do it.

Color Pie Break Assessment

New 13 Dec 2021 Asked by royinversezx 45 Comments

I thought you said digital only cards had to pass trough the council of colors, Tome of the infinite is a color pie break no? it generates non blue cards and lets you cast them for whatever, effectively giving you access to effects that are not available on blue, discard, ramp, direct damage, fog, lifegain, doublestrike, unconditional exile.


Inquiring Fog’s Legal Status

New 13 Nov 2021 Asked by ironchefravnica 28 Comments

A request for you to pass on as appropriate: Could we have Fog be legal in Historic? It already exists on Arena, as a card you can get from Tome of the Infinite.


I’m not sure what the line is for Historic, but I do know play design considers G too strong for the effect in Standard.

Tome of the Infinite Feasibility

New 27 Jul 2021 Asked by skagerrakgodofdarkness 33 Comments

Tome of the infinite still FEELS like a break though. Mono blue lightning bolts, dark rituals, enchantment removal … it doesn’t require any hoops to jump through except a little randomness


There’s a big difference between being able to reliably cast something and to potentially cast something. Interestingly, Mind’s Desire gives you more control than Tome of the Infinite on what card you cast because there are many cards that can manipulate the top of your library. EDIT: Oops. Mind’s Desire shuffles your library. Both are random. My bad.

Tome of the Infinite Query

New 27 Jul 2021 Asked by glintfang-nezumi 104 Comments

Isn’t the upcoming digital only card, Tome of the Infinite, a color pie break? It can use exclusively blue mana to draw and cast several nonblue cards like lightning bolt and giant growth.


No more than this:


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