Moonglove Extract

Artifact vs Color Powers

New 17 Sep 2015 Asked by lazcarno 19 Comments

"Hornet Sting was played in sideboards in high level tournaments so no, not weak enough." The question was why *Bee* Sting is not acceptable when it appears to be strictly worse than Moonglove Extract (3G Sorcery for 2 damage versus {3} colourless permanent that sacs for 2 damage). You implied that Bee Sting is indeed worse (and so doesn't subvert Green's weaknesses), but is still a flavor fail. *Hornet* Sting is G for 1 damage and is an Instant, which I would agree is stronger than Bee Sting.


Oh, Bee Sting. Ah, Portal. My issue is that there is a difference between an artifact doing something and a color doing it. I don’t want to see Bee Sting in Green because I don’t want to see the effect in Green. The effect can exist in artifacts at a low enough power level. And yes a Green deck can play the artifact but that’s not contradicting the color pie because it’s an artifact doing it and not Green. Just because an artifact can do it doesn’t mean a color gets to do something it’s not supposed to do. White, for instance, is bad at card drawing. Artifacts still get to draw cards. That’s the issue.

Colorless Card Pricing

New 16 Sep 2015 Asked by vergilius314 38 Comments

You wrote: "Just as with artifacts we let colorless do things at a high enough cost." I thought the color pie was supposed to push you into a second color. If Moonglove Extract cost (2)(G), it would be harder to cast than it is now at (3). So why is Moonglove Extract not a problem, when Bee Sting is and it costs (3)(G)? It seems like either both are color pie breaks, or neither are.


There is a difference between a Green deck can play this and the card is Green. Artifacts/Colorless cards do not break the flavor of Green. We do have to be careful not to price them too aggressively to undercut mechanical weaknesses.


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