Grenzo, Dungeon Warden

Infinity Concept in Gameplay

New 14 Jun 2024 Asked by moonsliceman 15 Comments

Countably infinite does NOT mean finite. If you shuffled an infinite number of Clown tokens into your library, you would never draw another kind of card in that game. Infinity plus however many cards were in your library is still infinity. Imagine if you didn't shuffle. How many cards would be on top of the first real card? Infinite cards are on top, so you'd never draw the card. If you shuffled the deck, that would still be the case. There would be an infinite number of Clown tokens before and after each real card, because the chance of getting a Clown token between any two cards while shuffling is 100%. Not 99%, not 99.999...%, just 100%. Infinity divided by the cards in your library is infinity. You can never draw any real cards, because even if you took off the top card, infinity minus one is still infinity.Grenzo, Dungeon Warden would always hit, since there are an infinite number of Clown creature token cards on the bottom of your library. Since tokens have 0 mana value, you can't cascade into any real cards. You could mill out if you got hit by Tasha's Hideous Laughter. If you chose Land for Abundant Harvest, you would get one if you had a land in your library. However, if you got hit by Cut Your Losses, you would only mill Clown tokens, and no cards from your library. Infinity plus the number of real cards in your library divided in half is infinity, so you'd never get to the first real card, and you'd still have an infinite number of Clown tokens on top. Finally, if you happened to play Braingeyser with X equal to infinity, you would STILL not draw any real cards. Infinity minus infinity is infinity. You would have an infinite number of Clown tokens in your hand, and an infinite number of Clown tokens on top of your library.It's easier if you think of infinity as a description or a quality rather than a number. Treating it like a number infects whatever math you're doing with odd-looking results.


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Bottom of Library Name

New 25 Jun 2021 Asked by no-chi-21 103 Comments

Hi Mark! One of my favorite commanders is Grenzo, Dungeon Warden because of his unique ability to use the bottom of the library. We used to refer to the bottom of the library as "the dungeon", but we now officially get a dungeon mechanic in AFR. Can you propose a different name for the bottom of the library?


R&D calls it the cellar.

Bottom Library Searching

New 19 May 2017 Asked by shadowstar91 33 Comments

"rtrt227 asked: Has there ever been a card that searches the bottom of your library? (As someone with terrible luck, I'll bet that's where my bombs are.)" "Not yet. There have been cards that put cards on the bottom but not draw from there." Grenzo, Dungeon Warden pulled cards from the bottom of the library to the graveyard. I think that's the closest Magic has gotten to a 'bottom draw' kind of effect.


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